HCSB 2009 available at OliveTree

OliveTree has the 2009 HCSB available.  I was made aware by Matt in a previous post.  I happen to own BibleReader and the HCSB, so out of curiosity I went to update it and to my happy surprise the HCSB 2009 version was there.  I went to verify if they had a bullet note for “languages” and sure enough they did.

The note for 1 Corinthians 12:10 has a small bullet before the word “Languages”, which in the HCSB means that there is further explanation of this word in the back of the bible.  This is what the note says:

<b>Language(s)</b>
The Greek word <i>glossa<i> has traditionally (ca 1530) been translated as “tongue” because the Gk word is used for the organ of speech as well as for a language.  Some see <i>glossolalia</i> as having a specialized meaning: either estatic speech or heavenly languages.

I did a search to see if there are any notes regarding the use of the word “brothers” and found no footnotes or bullet notes to help clarify in certain instances where “brothers & sisters” (family) are being addressed.  I still think that HCSB should include a bullet note similar to what the ESV bible has:

Romans 1:13 Or brothers and sisters. The plural Greek word adelphoi (translated “brothers”) refers to siblings in a family. In New Testament usage, depending on the context, adelphoi may refer either to men or to both men and women who are siblings (brothers and sisters) in God’s family, the church

Not sure why they are being so stubborn on this one, but the final print is not done yet so we still have to wait and see.

HCSB Revised version now available in print

UPDATE: the changes in the HCSB Student version of the ASB are not the full changes read Will’s comment below.

Curiosity got the best of me and went to my local Academic Christian Book store and purchased the new HCSB Apologetics Study Bible for Students (ASBS).  Not so much because I need another study bible, but because I wanted to evlauate the new revised HCSB text, and how it looks on print and how different it might be from the digital copy that I have.

I have confirmed that new HCSB ASBS does in fact have the revised HCSB text, dated 2009.  There is no mention in the copyright pages that this is a revision, or an update.  The only thing that gives it away is the date mention of 2009.  Some time back I had done a comparison of Ephesians with the original HCSB, and the digital revised text that I had purchased.

Just a few quick observations, just bought it today.

Disappointing things about the revision are:

  • There are no footnotes for “brothers” in the New Testament
  • There are no footnotes for the use of the phrase “[another] language” (Tongues) in Paul’s usage of the word in his letters.
  • In both cases I was hoping that some footnotes would have been added.  Now there still might be some for Brothers, but I have not done an exhausted search.  Have to do it by hand, the old fashion way.

Positive things about the revision are:

  • bullet points are much, much smaller and non-intrusive.

I have made a PDF of the first page of Ephesians so that you can see for yourself that it does contain the revised HCSB.  Check out the PDF for Ephesians it’s not the best copy in the world and I used Mono to remove all color from the page.  Scanned it with my Verizon Eris.

HCSB 2nd Edition Eph1

HCSB 2nd edition in print?

There are some rumors floating around that the HCSB 2nd edition is available in print.  Check it out here at Jeff’s Thoughts, and this is the printed version that is being claimed to have the 2nd edition available Apologetics Study Bible For Students

Anyone own a copy that can verify if this is true?  Tempted to buy one but I don’t want another first edition HCSB I already own to many.

Limited Edition Ministers Bible – HCSB

Holman just released a Limited Edition Ministers Bible HCSB, in a fine soft, supple cowhide leather bible.  The retail price for this gem is $150.00, if it is anything similar to their Legacy Bible (the nice one, not the original one that was made out of some stiff cheap leather) then it will be a very nice one to have. This is a wide margin single column black letter edition and it appears that they have added a few more minister helps as well.

If I understand the advertising correctly the leather bible cover is made by Biblias Abba, they produce some of the best leather bibles so you can be sure this is a fine quality product.  By the way they will also rebound your favorite bible as well.

I own the prior edition which I really like to read.  The fonts are excellent, the spread between the text is nice, and the leather is a good cowhide, but not soft or supple, or flexible in anyway but it is a nice grain matte finish.  I have often thought of sending this one out and having it rebound.  I used mine the other day when I had to speak at a funeral.  You can read a bit more about it here.

I don’t know if it contains the 2nd Edition or not, if it did that would be awesome.  I have an email out to Jim Baird (B&H Academic – Vice President of Marketing & Sales) asking him to verify.

UPDATE:

The Limited Edition Ministers Bible is still the first edition (i.e. not HCSB 2nd edition)

HCSB 2nd Edition Ephesians Review

I read through Ephesians and highlighted as best as I could every change that I encountered.  I do hope that I did not miss any, and I also hope this gives you a glance as to some of the changes that are in place.  I might do another small epistles.

Emphasis added by me

HCSB First Edition

HCSB Second Edition

Chapter One

Chapter One

1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will: To the saints and believers in Christ Jesus at Ephesus.

1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will: To the faithful saints in Christ Jesus at Ephesus.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavens, in Christ;

3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavens.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

7 We have redemption in Him through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

11 In Him we were also made His inheritance, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,

11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,

13 In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation—in Him when you believed—were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.

13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.

18 [I pray] that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened so you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the glorious riches of His inheritance among the saints,

18 [I pray] that the perception of your mind may be enlightened so you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the glorious riches of His inheritance among the saints,

Chapter Two

Chapter Two

2 in which you previously walked according to this worldly age, according to the ruler of the atmospheric domain, the spirit now working in the disobedient.

2 in which you previously walked according to the ways of this world, according to the ruler who exercises authority over the lower heavens, , the spirit now working in the disobedient.

5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. By grace you are saved! 6 He also raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavens, in Christ Jesus,

5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace! 6 Together with Christ Jesus He also raised us up and seated us in the heavens

8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—

8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—

11 So then, remember that at one time you were Gentiles in the flesh—called “the uncircumcised” by those called “the circumcised,” done by hand in the flesh.

11 So then, remember that at one time you were Gentiles in the flesh—called “the uncircumcised” by those called “the circumcised,” [which is done] in the flesh by human hands.

12 At that time you were without the Messiah, excluded from the citizenship of Israel, and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, with no hope and without God in the world.

12 At that time you were without the Messiah, excluded from the citizenship of Israel, and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

21 The whole building is being fitted together in Him and is growing into a holy sanctuary in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.

21 The whole building, being put together by Him, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord. 22 You also are being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.
Chapter Three Chapter Three

8 This grace was given to me—the least of all the saints!—to proclaim to the Gentiles the incalculable riches of the Messiah,

8 This grace was given to me—the least of all the saints [EXCALMATION POINT REMOVED]—to proclaim to the Gentiles the incalculable riches of the Messiah,

11 This is according to the purpose of the ages, which He made in the Messiah, Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness, access, and confidence through faith in Him.

11 This is according to His eternal purpose accomplished in the Messiah, Jesus our Lord. 12 In Him we have boldness and confident access through faith in Him.

14 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father

14 For this reason I kneel before the Father

20 Now to Him who is able to do above and beyond all that we ask or think according to the power that works in you

20 Now to Him who is able to do above and beyond all that we ask or think [DASHED REMOVED] according to the power that works in us

Chapter Four

Chapter Four

1 I, therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, urge you to walk worthy of the calling you have received,

1 Therefore I, the prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk worthy of the calling you have received,

10 The One who descended is the same as the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.

10 The One who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.

22 you took off your former way of life, the old man that is corrupted by deceitful desires;

22 You took off , your former way of life, the old self , that is corrupted by deceitful desires;

24 you put on the new man, the one created according to God’s [likeness] in righteousness and purity of the truth.

24 you put on , the new self, the one created according to God’s [likeness] in righteousness and purity of the truth.

29 No rotten talk should come from your mouth, but only what is good for the building up of someone in need, in order to give grace to those who hear. 30 And don’t grieve God’s Holy Spirit, who sealed you for the day of redemption. 31 All bitterness, anger and wrath, insult and slander must be removed from you, along with all wickedness.

29 No foul language is to come from your mouth, but only what is good for building up someone in need, so that it gives grace to those who hear. 30 And don’t grieve God’s Holy Spirit. You were sealed by Him for the day of redemption. 31 All bitterness, anger and wrath, shouting and slander must be removed from you, along with all malice.

Chapter Five

Chapter Five

6 Let no one deceive you with empty arguments, for because of these things God’s wrath is coming on the disobedient.

6 Let no one deceive you with empty arguments, for God’s wrath is coming on the disobedient because of these things.
19 speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making music to the Lord in your heart, 19 speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making music from your heart to the Lord,

27 He did this to present the church to Himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but holy and blameless.

27 He did this to present the church to Himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or anything like that, but holy and blameless.

Chapter Six

Chapter Six

3 that it may go well with you and that you may have a long life in the land.

3 so that it may go well with you and that you may have a long life in the land

4 And fathers, don’t stir up anger in your children, but bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

4 Fathers, don’t stir up anger in your children, but bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

7 Render service with a good attitude, as to the Lord and not to men,

7 Serve with a good attitude, as to the Lord and not to men,

9 And masters, treat them the same way, without threatening them, because you know that both their and your Master is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him.

9 And masters, treat your slaves the same way, without threatening them, because you know that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him

18 With every prayer and request, pray at all times in the Spirit, and stay alert in this, with all perseverance and intercession for all the saints.

18 Pray at all times in the Spirit with every prayer and request, and stay alert in this with all perseverance and intercession for all the saints.

21 Tychicus, our dearly loved brother and faithful servant in the Lord, will tell you everything so that you also may know how I am and what I’m doing.

21 Tychicus, our dearly loved brother and faithful servant in the Lord, will tell you all the news about me so that you may be informed.

HCSB 2nd Edition — My personal gripes

holman-csb-logoThere has been great anticipation with the release of the HCSB 2nd edition.  I personally enjoy and have made a significant investment in various editions of this bible. For a bit more information on the release of HCSB 2nd edition read here. Also ElShaddai Edwards at He is Sufficient has been compiling a list of other that have posted about the HCSB 2nd edition.

There are a few areas that I did not like that I thought could have been better handle either by changing the main text or simply adding a footnote – which they seem to excel over other translations, the only other bible that exceeds it with footnotes is the NET bible which stands on it’s own and is not a fair comparison.

It boggles my mind as to why they have chosen not to add additional footnotes in certain passages in the 2nd edition, other than I think and I have to presume since I have no proof, that the governing translating committee has a prior hermeneutical and theological basis and/or commitment.

The following issues that I have when read in context do not change the meaning at all.  So you asked why are my feathers so ruffled up?  These are personal gripes and they are not enough for me to abandon the HCSB.  I still think that it is a fine translation and do hope that the 2nd edition makes it even better.

My personal gripe is how they have chosen to deal with the term “tongues”.  Of the four major recent translations ESV, NLT, TNIV & HCSB, they are the only ones that have chosen to translate the Greek γλῶσσα (glōssa) as “[another] language” (1 Cor 14:2 HCSB) and “different kinds of languages” (1 Cor 12:10 HCSB).  Again I want to stress when read in context I don’t believe that the meaning or understanding gets lost.  All other three translations ESV, NLT, TNIV have translated it as “tongues” and with the exception of the ESV both provided the following footnotes NLT “Or in unknown languages”; TNIV “Or in another language ESV had no footnotes which I think they should follow the prior examples.

I may come across as being to petty, or silly in my reasoning, however the HCSB has stated that one of their translations goals are:

to equip serious Bible students with an accurate translation for personal study, private devotions, and memorization

and from their introductory notes regarding footnotes

Footnotes are used to show readers how the original biblical language has been understood in the HCSB

Are the HCSB translators suggesting that “[other] language” is the only accurate way to translate this Greek word?  Or as they put it are showing us how the original biblical language is to be understood?

That was my first one, my second gripe is their lack of willingness in translating or adding a footnote on the Greek term ἀδελφός (adelphos) simply as “brothers”.  According to the notes in the NET bible for 1 Cor. 1:10 (Now I urge you, brothers HCSB — no footnotes) regarding adelphos they say:

Grk “brothers,” but the Greek word may be used for “brothers and sisters” or “fellow Christians” as here…

Again I make the same charge as above, are they suggesting that this is the only accurate way to translate this term?  I understand that they have chosen to follow the “Guidelines for Translation of Gender-Related Language in Scripture”.  But if these guidelines are imposing regulations that restrict them from providing better footnotes then I would highly recommend that they abandon their alliance with this group.  One may argue that this does make a significant understanding of who is being addressed.

Finally my last personal gripe is with the translation of the word “blessed” to “happy”.  NLT uses the word “joy” — “Oh, the joys of those…” which I would almost prefer.

Again I want to stress that none of these are reasons enough for me not to use and appreciate the HCSB.  Would I recommend this translation to any of our Pentecostal or Charismatic churches?  No I would not be reluctant to, and it would not be my first recommendation. As much as I personally like the HCSB I would rather recommend the TNIV, NLT or for that matter even the ESV over this translation. (I would not recommend the ESV over the HCSB) If they would just add the footnotes then I would be more than happy to highly recommend it and I would be “blessed — happy”.